woosh. lively thread this. i'll try to throw out a concise punchy responce, rich in brevity, albeit short on finer grained nuance.
from statmonkey's posts, i am again finding myself feeling firmly in the "fuck systemd" camp. tis the lesser of two evils, but that's not how i vote.

good to see it being put to the test... however... i dont feel inclined to test it. i install A LOT of software on my main production machines... and that of course increases chances of encountering the afore mentioned characteristic woes. woes that ootb vsido is unlikely to encounter, having so few packages installed. so a test for me, would be in production, and i'd just feel silly installing several gig (even tens of gb) of software on a purely test install, just to see how many of these bugs i encounter, having already had a loose grasp of the nature of the situation causing them.
i'd rather have the relatively harmless shortcomings of sysvinit, than the borkings and constrictions and obfuscations and the (probable?/inevitable?) development path constrainings of systemd.
... but as statmonkey said... if a tree were to fall...
in such a case, it'd be good to have already had eyes open long enough to have informed the reflexes where to move to.

trust...
even though i have forsaken rpm based long ago, i do feel more trust for redhat than canonical. not sure who i trust more out of canonical and novel. canonical smack too much of the car salesman desperate to convince you of its self-presentation... having been a psy-warrior on the side of the "advertising and marketing" and gained the insider insights, that now instantly earns distrust from me.
(this could make an excellent thread in itself, but i'll throw it in here for now too anyways)
i trust, in this order:
1: source based distros that have a council/committee who do all their deliberations transparently, and let the user decide
2: source/binary distros that may have a sole lead dev, but have all their software be as vanilla as possible / as upstream intended/released
3: community developed binary based distros
4: individual developed spin-off distros
5: government backed / public-body institution oriented distros
6: other
7: big gap...
distrust...
8: corporate backed distros
9: proprietary operating systems
10: spy agencies & other secretive agencies of government
11: corporate espionage groups & associated psy-op "news" and other corporatocracy controlled media
12: secret societies
13: old white alpha-males in the 13 ruling families
