Quote from: VastOne on December 31, 2024, 05:51:52 PMIMHO it is a huge chunk to give up fluxbox and try something going backwards (meaning XFCE-4) that may or may not work. I'll try to test it as it gets colder and I have more time but honestly I don't see a big push for it and as ancient as X11 is it still works quite well

I hear you there. I've been using Wayland off/on for a few months now. Mostly sway since it's a Wayland clone of i3 (what I mostly use on X11 these days).

Don't really have a reason to make a full-time switch to Wayland since I don't see a performance improvement. It would be a switch just to use the new thing.

Someone with new[ish] hardware, particularly graphics, probably has a more compelling argument to make the switch.

Having said that; KDE Plasma 6 on Wayland. The battery widget is actually the wireless keyboard for the desktop computer. Other than that, runs nice and smooth:



Wallpaper is the ruins of Mayapan.

Quote from: PackRat on December 31, 2024, 03:20:08 PMI am reading in some other forums that newer/newest drivers (>560) for nVidia are working with Wayland. How old is your hardware?

I have a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 and am using NVIDIA Driver Version: 565.77  CUDA Version: 12.7 that I install from the .run files and not from any debian sources.

IMHO it is a huge chunk to give up fluxbox and try something going backwards (meaning XFCE-4) that may or may not work. I'll try to test it as it gets colder and I have more time but honestly I don't see a big push for it and as ancient as X11 is it still works quite well

Quote from: VastOne on December 24, 2024, 10:51:32 PM

Quote from: PackRat on December 24, 2024, 09:46:51 PMXfce 4.20 desktop running in Wayland with labwc as the compositor:

Very nice, I would consider Wayland but it still apparently has issues with nVidia drivers and is not recommended

I am reading in some other forums that newer/newest drivers (>560) for nVidia are working with Wayland. How old is your hardware?

Quote from: VastOne on December 28, 2024, 03:53:08 AM

Quote from: PackRat on December 25, 2024, 01:27:36 PMYes, Wayland can be a real pain to get running if you have nVidia.

All right RatMan, I have installed VSIDO on a device without nVidia, pure nouveau.. Is the smallest and easiest way to get Wayland buy installing XFCE4?

Yes. That will give you xfce4 for X11 and wayland. As long as it's Xfce 4.20 which I believe is all current in Sid.

The trick is that the xfce4 window manager does not work with wayland, so you will need an additional compositor. Xfce 4.20 has been coded to work with labwc or wayfire.

The default is labwc which I believe is in Sid repos; labwc is developed by the same people that develop jgmenu. Labwc is configured like openbox - rc.xml, menu.xml etc ...

from the Xfce4 site ( https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap#testing )

QuoteTo start an Xfce session on Wayland, you can run startxfce4 --wayland from a tty, which will launch xfce4-session from labwc. If you want to use wayfire instead, you'll need to run startxfce4 --wayland wayfire and add this configuration first, as wayfire doesn't have a --startup option like labwc (see startxfce4 --help for details):

I use labwc (wayfire is like the old compviz) so from a tty, I just use "startxfce4 --wayland" (actually set up a bash alias for the command) and it worked out of the box. I did go into xfce4 on X11 first to set up the desktop session first - theme, icons etc ... I know there are a couple of bugs trying to set the wallpaper from Wayland.

Other than the xfce window manager, the pager and system tray do not work. Other than that, all the xfce4 apps (thunar, xfce4-terminal etc ...) and plugins work.

Xfce will control everything. Window decor, keybindings, notifications, desktop icons .... So no need to configure labwc.

That was wrong. Xfce 4.20 will control the desktop - wallpaper panel, desktop icons, notifications etc ... So no need for a labwc autostart file.
Labwc (or Wayfire) will control the window decor and keybindings so those get configured in the rc.xml.

Quote from: PackRat on December 25, 2024, 01:27:36 PMYes, Wayland can be a real pain to get running if you have nVidia.

All right RatMan, I have installed VSIDO on a device without nVidia, pure nouveau.. Is the smallest and easiest way to get Wayland buy installing XFCE4?

Pretty good and what to expect from Clapton at this stage of his career/life.

Kind of weird listening though and thinking this could very well be his final album.

Quote from: VastOne on December 24, 2024, 10:51:32 PMVery nice, I would consider Wayland but it still apparently has issues with nVidia drivers and is not recommended

Yes, Wayland can be a real pain to get running if you have nVidia.

Quote from: PackRat on December 24, 2024, 09:46:51 PMXfce 4.20 desktop running in Wayland with labwc as the compositor:

Very nice, I would consider Wayland but it still apparently has issues with nVidia drivers and is not recommended

Xfce 4.20 desktop running in Wayland with labwc as the compositor: