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Title: Long Live SpaceFM (Was once SpaceFM replacement)
Post by: VastOne on September 20, 2014, 11:11:48 PM
SpaceFM 1.0.0 has been packaged and released to SID repos (x64 version only so far)

NOTE - SpaceFM is now back in full time development and support mode

A million thanks to IgnorantGuru and his team for all of their efforts in this incredible application


As saddened by this as I am, there us no way around it... we must consider and discuss a SpaceFM replacement since it is no longer maintained.  Up until today's events I was fine with keeping spacefm until we could no longer afford to do it

All of you are wise and opinionated, please let's hear what you suggest and make a qualified decision on what we should go with

Since I chose SpaceFM from the beginning, I am not going to make any suggestion but will question everything and we will all come to a consensus

Thanks in advance for participating
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: statmonkey on September 20, 2014, 11:28:47 PM
I am guessing this is the first of many to go by the wayside, if indeed it has.  I really have no problems with Thunar tbh but frankly don't like these choices being made for me. 

I am old enough (too old in fact) to be familiar with the feeling in my gut.  The feeling that I am resisting the inevitable, many times before I have said to myself that oh this is no big deal I can make that compromise and live with this or that only to realize I am either too stupid or too stubborn to do so. I am pretty patient but not so good at sacrificing nebulous things like principles and standards. It grates on me, frustrates me and in general drives my borderline OCD crazy.  I imagine we are all familiar with Robert Frost's poem
Quote
TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,   
And sorry I could not travel both   
And be one traveler, long I stood   
And looked down one as far as I could   
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
...
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—   
I took the one less traveled by,   
And that has made all the difference.

I feel that I am at that divergence right now and looking pretty longingly at the one well traveled but knowing in the end I will take the one less traveled by.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: jedi on September 20, 2014, 11:49:25 PM
Not to turn this into a poetry fest, but statmonkey just posted one of my favorite Frost poems.  It is second or third on my personal favorites list.  My favorite one you might ask?  (or probably wont as most don't read poetry as far as I can tell)  Thanks statmonkey for posting that from "The Road Not Taken"...

Quote
Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
By Robert Frost

Whose woods these are I think I know.   
His house is in the village though;   
He will not see me stopping here   
To watch his woods fill up with snow.   

My little horse must think it queer   
To stop without a farmhouse near   
Between the woods and frozen lake   
The darkest evening of the year.   

He gives his harness bells a shake   
To ask if there is some mistake.   
The only other sound’s the sweep   
Of easy wind and downy flake.   

The woods are lovely, dark and deep,   
But I have promises to keep,   
And miles to go before I sleep,   
And miles to go before I sleep.

As I live in Maine and have snow so often, and live in the Great North Maine Woods, it is a near and dear kind of thing for me...

OK, so long spacefm.  You have long been on my machine keeping my files organized and in place for me faithfully and without fail.  I do understand IG's decision on his "hiatus" so as I said, so long.
Thunar is fine, small footprint, not a lot of dependencies, and isn't it already installed in VSIDO by default?  I know it used to be, and one just had to 'add' it to the FB menu.
Since losing spacefm, I have been playing with pcmanfm.  I've gone so far as to replace my menu items to reflect pcmanfm rather than spacefm.  I'm not sure of the size/footprint it would have on the ISO's.  I have been able to actually make it look just about exactly how I had spacefm customized to look for my tastes.  Like statmonkey, I customise the look/feel of my system quite a lot more than I had realized before last night.

Anyway, you all know I can blather on and on.  I'd like to see pcmanfm if possible, but I can live with whatever choice is made.  Apt-get is a handy tool...
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: statmonkey on September 21, 2014, 12:51:44 AM
I don't think it's a poetry fest, it sure beats pondering what is happening in Debian right now  :'(

That is probably my favorite as well, it really is a shame that Frost anymore is looked upon as trite and old fashioned.  When he is spoken of it is as a "lightweight" and "common". The great thing about stopping is both Miles Davis and more recently Mark Isham composed songs in tribute to it.  Not bad for a common lightweight. I have also always loved:

Quote
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
And spills the upper boulders in the sun,
And makes gaps even two can pass abreast. ...

The great thing about Frost was that it works on so many levels yet he always communicated a feeling.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: PackRat on September 21, 2014, 01:09:17 AM
I'm currently using pcmanfm.

I like thunar as well, and it may be the better fit since there are already some xfce apps and libraries installed.

To quote the wise man jed - "apt-get is a handy tool"

One thing you may to check into, vastone, is the status of the lxde desktop/projects. I can't imagine that it too will be falling by the wayside in the near future, but it's not like I follow the project. I doubt xfce is going anywhere soon.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: zbreaker on September 21, 2014, 09:05:43 PM
Sad news indeed regarding SpaceFM. I had absolutely no experience with it before starting to run VSIDO, but came to love it's power and functionality. Yes thunar or pcmanfm would appear to be the front running candidates at present.

Frost always was one of my favorites also  8)
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: ozitraveller on September 21, 2014, 11:23:00 PM
+1 for pcmanfm. It's the fm I use with fb and jwm. I also have some concerns about it's future in light to the move to qt.

I also like thunar and use it with xfce de. But what impact will gtk3 have on thunar when xfce eventually goes to gtk3.

I'm currently using pcmanfm.

I like thunar as well, and it may be the better fit since there are already some xfce apps and libraries installed.

To quote the wise man jed - "apt-get is a handy tool"

One thing you may to check into, vastone, is the status of the lxde desktop/projects. I can't imagine that it too will be falling by the wayside in the near future, but it's not like I follow the project. I doubt xfce is going anywhere soon.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: superwow on September 22, 2014, 01:52:43 AM
pcmanfm is very similar to spacefm, and i like both, but think i like thunar better. each has +'s and -'s, none is perfect, but all are lightweight.

even lighter alternatives could be gentoo fm and rox-filer, but, neither has those awesome custom actions of thunar. between thunar and space/pcmanfm, i prefer thunar's ability to remember my file arrangement choices (not sure if i know how to describe this aspect, but spacefm dialog boxes for saving are sometimes very disorganized) but pcmanfm feels slightly quicker.

@packrat you're right! totally forgot my earlier time with lubuntu. it used pcmanfm. i loved that distro most of the buntus because of its light simplicity and pcman was part of that.

alternatively .... ranger ...?
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: jeffreyC on September 22, 2014, 02:14:20 AM
I vote for Thunar

Unless there is another file manager with custom actions
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: seppalta on September 22, 2014, 06:39:25 AM
Good riddance.  I use pcmanfm.  Is it too clumsy to offer a thunar-pcmanfm choice in the welcome?
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on September 22, 2014, 01:14:48 PM
^ Not at all.  Thunar is already in the welcome and if it becomes the default I will add pcmanfm to the welcome on the next ISO release
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: orbea on September 22, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
Personally I'd rather ditch debian than let them break spacefm, but I feel like I should mention 4pane which is a strong runner up to spacefm, it only loses due to its lack of visual effects like thumbnails.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on September 22, 2014, 02:27:01 PM
^ I do not agree that Debian broke spacefm. Any application that is no longer maintained will eventually become no longer usable.  IgnorantGuru made a decision, no one forced it just like no one forced his hand to fork it from pcmanfm. He got tired IMO of the BS and I can relate to that.

Having said all that can you elaborate a little bit more on 4 pane. Does it have custom actions?
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: orbea on September 22, 2014, 02:40:05 PM
I get that and I'm not blaming IgnorantGuru for the being fed up with the bs, but still this whole mutex issue seems just sloppy, maybe that is just due to a lack of understanding?   

Honestly, I didn't live with 4pane that long, I discovered spacefm shortly after I tried it and being a photographer the thumbnails made the choice easy.  This probably could answer any questions about 4pane.  http://www.4pane.co.uk/manual/Contents.htm (http://www.4pane.co.uk/manual/Contents.htm)
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on September 22, 2014, 03:55:16 PM
The mutex issue as I understand it is specific to an update to libgtk-3-0 and in viewing several bug reports I believe will be corrected soon

There are dozens of apps other than spacefm that are affected by this

Finally, debian is an OS that does have an install base.. more than that they are a package management system that is run by devs and maintainers that the majority of are never paid a red cent. They are also a group with a history of maintaining rigid control and processes to ensure stability

We live on the edge of SID here and perhaps without a doubt have been spoiled by it's successes and lack of implosions for a long time

If one really wants the true supported experience of Debian, thy should try or stay with Debian Stable installs or other distros like Crunchbang that is built on the 2 year models of updates

I cannot live like that and choose this edge and desire challenges such as this. 

The mutex issue will resolve itself soon.  SpaceFM will not (IMO) be viable without a maintainer and that saddens me.  I have a tremendous amount of respect for IgnorantGuru and wish him well. Should SpaceFM ever return to a maintained level we will entertain it coming back to VSIDO then
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: PackRat on September 22, 2014, 04:18:00 PM
@vastone

4pane is a pretty good file manager, but I'm pretty sure it's not in the debian repos. I'm also certain that all of it's dependencies are not in the repos so getting it compiled from source is a bit tricky. It has some nice power user features, but required some effort for everyday tasks as I recall.

edit - looks like they have their own debian repository that can be added - http://www.4pane.co.uk/Download.htm (http://www.4pane.co.uk/Download.htm)
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: statmonkey on September 22, 2014, 04:22:31 PM
The mutex issue as I understand it is specific to an update to libgtk-3-0 and in viewing several bug reports I believe will be corrected soon

There are dozens of apps other than spacefm that are affected by this

Well said ^
Yep, dozens of things are affected by the mutex thing and again agree that this is just what you get with sid.

Finally, debian is an OS that does have an install base.. more than that they are a package management system that is run by devs and maintainers that the majority of are never paid a red cent. They are also a group with a history of maintaining rigid control and processes to ensure stability

We live on the edge of SID here and perhaps without a doubt have been spoiled by it's successes and lack of implosions for a long time

Without a doubt.  I am pretty sure in fact this has been a record breaking run.  I can't even remember the last time I saw something like this.  Personally, I think part of my whining has been because we are soooo spoiled.

If one really wants the true supported experience of Debian, thy should try or stay with Debian Stable installs or other distros like Crunchbang that is built on the 2 year models of updates

I cannot live like that and choose this edge and desire challenges such as this. 

The mutex issue will resolve itself soon.  SpaceFM will not (IMO) be viable without a maintainer and that saddens me.  I have a tremendous amount of respect for IgnorantGuru and wish him well. Should SpaceFM ever return to a maintained level we will entertain it coming back to VSIDO then


This one I am not as sure about but not in a negative sense I have a bit more optimism than the v-ger  8).

Oh the mutex stuff absolutely will be  rounded into shape and Sid will settle down.  Say a week at the most.  It's the old domino effect.  But per SpaceFM that hasn't really changed that much.  Those of us who really want to hang with it can try to keep it cobbled together, nobody says you can't leave it on your system and hope someone picks it up or better yet try yourself.  That is what this is all about.  What is changed is that for any distro to use SpaceFM as the default file manager when it is not being actively maintained.  That would be just stupid and VO has rightly said the distro needs to move on, no matter how much I love it he is correct. 

In the FOSS world things die, apps, scripts even distro's, that is part of the chain of life.  When things are developed out of passion rather than paycheck the passion ends sometimes.  As I said, I will miss spacefm more than most but I can live with Thunar it's a well done piece of kit. SpaceFM was what I would have built had I had the skill, that really is the diff for me.  It's no deal breaker though and maybe some script kiddie will get excited and come up with a new and better one.  More likely than not actually.

I would heartily recommend that when you run your upgrades you look carefully at what is being done over the next week or so.  If something is being removed you don't want removed STOP - LOOK - LISTEN.  Stop the upgrade just say no.  Look at what is being removed and research/listen to make sure that is not just a temporary hitch.  Once you are confident that this is what you want to do, then do the up or once it settles down.  I am quite sure you all know this - just a friendly reminder.  It is a small price to pay for cutting edge that we have had a free run in for almost two years.

Overall Debian, really remains THE linux option.  I really do believe this.  If I have a problem with Debian's direction it does not mean I think they are necessarily wrong.  In fact, they are probably correct they need to make things easier and simpler to maintain if they want to increase installed base.  My complaint is really about me and whether I am that good a fit for Debian anymore.  For now, I think I still am but time will tell.  Again, if I have said anything that led anyone to believe that I think Debian is OTL my apologies.  The problem is my problem not theirs.

@PackRat 4pane looks very interesting.  Thanks for that tip.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on September 22, 2014, 06:12:15 PM
Well said statmonkey and thanks for the backing...

The moment you are OTL is the day both you and I (and jedi and packrat) will be done with Linux and FOSS as a failure... in both cases I do not see that happening my friend ..   ::)
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: superwow on September 23, 2014, 03:10:31 AM
I don't know what the mutex thing is. Or how it broke spacefm. I do like spacefm though and think it is sad to see IG toss in the hat. His blog and voice in the linux community is awesome though, so I hope he doesn't give that up.

As to the mutex thing and the recent flurry of updates, not sure what is going on in Debianland but every few days I am getting yet another app that quits working, for 3-7 days, then back up. This is my first taste of SID, and I guess this is how it is every now and again, but I don't mind too much. It is getting me even deeper into the linux world, forces me to shop. Get rid of spacefm, bolt on thunar, or switch it out with 4pane, or rox-filer, or dolphin, or marlin. Applications are easy to switch out if you just figure out how. Tired of flux? Use openbox, jwm, ice, awesome, etc.

I am familiar with Thunar, and have a lot of custom actions which make my life easier, but I would not be averse to being pleasantly surprised by something like vimfm, rox-filer, 4pane, dragonflywm, or even gentoo fm, if it fits base VSIDO packages and provides functionality on top of minimal cpu strain.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: statmonkey on September 23, 2014, 04:37:22 PM
I have been playing with 4pane, very nice little tool.

Just noticed that the latest d/u is wanting to remove all the pythonqt5 stuff and calibre plus give me apache2 back.  Um, no, no thank you.    ??? Sigh.  I guess I'll just wait a bit.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: jedi on September 23, 2014, 06:18:20 PM

Just noticed that the latest d/u is wanting to remove all the pythonqt5 stuff and calibre plus give me apache2 back.  Um, no, no thank you.    ??? Sigh.  I guess I'll just wait a bit.

Yes and Calibre was just updated last week to fix a bug that kept it from running for a few days.  It has been trying to remove them from my system since early yesterday.  Calibre depends on the Qt5 crap unfortunately.  Calibre is the most used app I have due to my love of reading...

So yeah, um, no, no thank you indeed!   ::)  A lot of 'sighing' here as well.  :-\
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on September 23, 2014, 06:34:12 PM
While I think Calibre is great for organizing mass amounts of epubs and ebooks, I find the simplicity of fbreader to be perfect for reading on a PC or laptop and it's very small footprint is perfect

On my Android I love Aldiko (thanks to jedi)

Still seeing mass amounts of updates in general... pretty common in SID after a major kernel update

Back on topic...

I am really liking Thunar and wonder if we could start an area to get the best custom actions together.  superwow said he had a lot of them .. I would not mind seeing them and making them a default in VSIDO if Thunar is chosen

I am leaning towards Thunar with pcmanfm installing as an option from vsido-welcome
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: statmonkey on September 23, 2014, 09:16:19 PM

Just noticed that the latest d/u is wanting to remove all the pythonqt5 stuff and calibre plus give me apache2 back.  Um, no, no thank you.    ??? Sigh.  I guess I'll just wait a bit.

Yes and Calibre was just updated last week to fix a bug that kept it from running for a few days.  It has been trying to remove them from my system since early yesterday.  Calibre depends on the Qt5 crap unfortunately.  Calibre is the most used app I have due to my love of reading...

So yeah, um, no, no thank you indeed!   ::)  A lot of 'sighing' here as well.  :-\

Here Jedi try the link I sent you.  Perhaps you will find something of interest I hope so anyway.  Once you see it you will understand why I am not going to let Calibre be removed.

While I think Calibre is great for organizing mass amounts of epubs and ebooks, I find the simplicity of fbreader to be perfect for reading on a PC or laptop and it's very small footprint is perfect

On my Android I love Aldiko (thanks to jedi)

Still seeing mass amounts of updates in general... pretty common in SID after a major kernel update

Back on topic...

I am really liking Thunar and wonder if we could start an area to get the best custom actions together.  superwow said he had a lot of them .. I would not mind seeing them and making them a default in VSIDO if Thunar is chosen

I am leaning towards Thunar with pcmanfm installing as an option from vsido-welcome

Love the idea of a custom actions thread.  I haven't used Thunar in a while and at one point had a ton of scripts and custom links.  I may have to look through my old installs.

Personally while I like fbreader I am a huge fan of MoonReader+ and think it is slightly superior to both Aldiko and Fbreader on a tablet or phone.  It's library management is much better and the in app access to wikipedia/dictionaries (I read a fair amount in French and German as well as English) is something I could not live without.  I don't read much but PDF on my box. 

Again, I think it will settle down in a few days but I also think I will probably be looking at a reinstall anyway.  Which again means waiting for things to settle.  Still not able to get my external NAS or my 4 Bay external drive to play nicely.

Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: jedi on September 23, 2014, 10:17:10 PM
I will put my vote (if we are voting  :D ) behind Thunar.  I would love to see some of the custom actions as well, and think it would make for a great thread of it's own.

I practically had another heart attack last week when I went to open Calibre and nothing happened.  Thankfully there was an updated version and that fixed whatever the issue was.  Yes statmonkey, I can see why you would be holding back on Calibre!  I am as well, as I have a large library myself.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: superwow on September 24, 2014, 03:09:59 AM
Folks, if y'all are adopting Thunar, or just considering it, here (http://vsido.org/index.php?topic=838.0 (http://vsido.org/index.php?topic=838.0)) are a bunch of custom actions. I take no credit for any of them, as I have shamelessly pilfered with zero of my own creativity. :D
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: superwow on September 24, 2014, 03:11:43 AM
Oh yeh, totally forgot, has anyone tried dwm? I always like seeing scrots of systems running dwm. Very minimal looking.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: PackRat on September 24, 2014, 01:15:40 PM
^ I use dwm sometimes - there is a recent scrot of my setup in this month's screenshot thread.

Anyone give gentoo (the file manager, not the distro) a look. I have no idea if it's a product of the gentoo distro and some dev gave it the same name, but it looks like a pretty powerful file manager. It's in the repos and didn't pull in any dependencies that were not already installed; tinkered with it for about 5 min and it appears to be highly customizable - can edit the commands, and custom button commands etc .... Two pane format is default -

(http://s9.postimg.org/3okxngo3f/September_1411574566_1366x768.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/3okxngo3f/)

not recommending it for VSIDO default, but I can see where a power user - lookin' at you statmonkey - would really like this one.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on October 01, 2014, 12:27:28 AM
FYI

BwackNinja, a developer on spaceFM is now looking at and has identified the mutex issue ... his comments are that he needs to up to the latest glibs and will repair it

This IMO validates that even with IG on a hiatus spaceFM lives

With this information and with a new release I can build new ISO's
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: statmonkey on October 01, 2014, 01:35:00 AM
Great news.  For what it is worth I am getting a huge update list including all the libqt stuff, udev, python, pam, gvfs, etc. right now on update.  It seems a lot going on out there.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on October 01, 2014, 01:43:45 AM
^ Indeed statmonkey... there is a tremendous amount of development and movement going on
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: statmonkey on October 01, 2014, 01:53:33 AM
Looks like a great deal of systemd stuff and also some backend changes to lightdm haven't rebooted yet but the upgrade went well at least.  I threw systemd back on this afternoon after I got your email.  Went very smooth.  I had no issues with runit though, it worked very well.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on October 01, 2014, 03:03:05 AM
I have filed a bug report with the spacefm maintainer that will be  is debian Bug#763575 (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763575)

The content is this:

Package: spacefm
Version: 0.4.9-1

Since GLib ≥ 2.41 update spacefm 0.4.9-1 has failed with the error Attempt to unlock mutex that was not locked.

Reported here:
https://github.com/IgnorantGuru/spacefm/issues/468


Verified here:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2014-August/msg08240.html

Solution from BwackNinja here:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/BwackNinja/spacefm/master/src/main.c

SpaceFM is the default file manager in VSIDO a distro I develop and am responsible for.  We all run on the latest SID packages and kernel.

I suggest building the next package with BwackNinjas source
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: zephyr on October 01, 2014, 05:52:11 AM
SpaceFM was excellent, and until a few seconds ago unaware other than it didn't work, it being not available makes a lot of sense. I use PCManFM with #!, along with Thunar. I would say it would be my choice. I added both of these to VSIDO. If anyone could help me why Radiotray doesn't work either, appreciate a yell back. 
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: zephyr on October 01, 2014, 06:03:20 AM
I think there are a number of apps now not working, not VSIDO's fault, but agree on Debian's bug. I like VSIDO a lot, and SID is the most stable, what I have become to appreciate. Misery would be stuck with ubuntu and gnome3. zephyr
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: statmonkey on October 01, 2014, 03:46:12 PM
SpaceFM was excellent, and until a few seconds ago unaware other than it didn't work, it being not available makes a lot of sense. I use PCManFM with #!, along with Thunar. I would say it would be my choice. I added both of these to VSIDO. If anyone could help me why Radiotray doesn't work either, appreciate a yell back.

Radio tray doesn't work because of the mutex bug.  A few posts back VastOne was kind enough to post a fix that will repair it. 

Quote
For radiotray (not in VSIDO but I will include it here)

Code: [Select]

sudo medit /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/radiotray/SysTray.py


and remove this line

Code: [Select]

gtk.gdk.threads_init()

For the spaceFM thing.  For me if it moves forward great but I too am ready to move on with Thunar it works well with systemd and is built to take advantage of it.

I think that lightdm is probably going to be fine as well.  Once it stables up I am going to look at forking it or possibly working out my own solution using either the C program I started writing or looking deeper into the run level issues with PackRat's solution.  This (the getting in and out of X issue are known problems but I think I may know how to overcome them).  I'll have a lot, lot more time after this evening to dedicate to them. 

Since we are heading down the systemd road that final decision alone makes moving forward a bit easier, knowing the parameters to work in makes it much simpler to divide out the issues and work on them. 

That said, there is a lot of in and out right now in the Debian world, this tends to go in fits and starts.  Right now we are in fit mode.  It will settle over the next few days.  VO has this thing on the run and I am ready to support that 100%.  I am finding a few more issues now, the udev2 stuff seems to be in real flux and it's hard to do much on that low level until it settles down.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on October 01, 2014, 06:39:26 PM
@zephyr

I edited statmonkey's post to correct the path of the file that needs to be edited...

@statmonkey, I knew you would not mind being on the road

I also corrected it on the original post

Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on October 01, 2014, 09:47:39 PM
Of course as soon as I build / test and upload the new ISO's that have spacefm-gtk3 on them, the bug report comes back from Debian that spaceFM has been patched and is in the FTP process ... expect an upgrade from SID tonight or tomorrow for the latest and patched version of spaceFM

I want to thank everyone involved in this think tank approach to solving several issues in the FOSS kingdom...

LightDM has been corrected as well (a work around) and is working fine on the latest ISO's

I will release new ISO's with spaceFM proper on them on the next ISO cycle.. 2 weeks or a new SID kernel..

Things seem to be settling down...
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: zephyr on October 02, 2014, 12:24:23 AM
Thanks for the radiotray help, but still doesn't work. Not worried about it, got it on #!. I appreciate the responsive nature of helping, I like this forum and the folks who steadily help each other out, it's a tough job looking after the lost. Thanks. Let you know if I get this working. A "space" does appear near the network icon, and disappears. So, something is partially going right. Thanks. zephyr
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on October 02, 2014, 12:25:16 AM
raidotray just updated tonight and fixed it themselves... in SID
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: zephyr on October 02, 2014, 12:55:33 AM
Excellent, I was doing the script suggested for the third time, went to #! and ran the code as well to see if there were any change or different script, nothing different. So, I ran a remove and reinstall and bang, it works. Thanks for the effort, and I do like this distro a lot, I do have a few IT type of friends (window type) and they all have copies. Great distro, excellent support.  (by the way, please always keep a menu editor that the user has control of-not automated) VSIDO is unique in many aspects, too many to discuss here, but all in a sophisticated way which I like #! for. Thanks again.  The best. zephyr 
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on October 02, 2014, 01:02:51 AM
^ You are most welcome sir...

Thanks for the kind words!
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: statmonkey on October 02, 2014, 04:17:59 AM
Of course as soon as I build / test and upload the new ISO's that have spacefm-gtk3 on them, the bug report comes back from Debian that spaceFM has been patched and is in the FTP process ... expect an upgrade from SID tonight or tomorrow for the latest and patched version of spaceFM

I want to thank everyone involved in this think tank approach to solving several issues in the FOSS kingdom...

LightDM has been corrected as well (a work around) and is working fine on the latest ISO's

I will release new ISO's with spaceFM proper on them on the next ISO cycle.. 2 weeks or a new SID kernel..

Things seem to be settling down...

Great job VastOne, this has been a brutal couple of weeks but the effort has been stellar as always.  I'll grab the new stuff tonight and see how it flies.  I really am actually enjoying some parts of thunar.  Having both is not a bad thing.   Thanks also for fixing my post to zephyr.  I couldn't of fixed it had I not been on the road since I was just reposting what  you had written and had no idea how to use it.  LOL. 
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on October 02, 2014, 04:22:15 AM
Thank you statmonkey... I always keep thunar also and use it to compare things.. I really have been spoiled by all the tools in spacefm

I appreciate all that you do for VSIDO, we are grateful to have you!
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on October 02, 2014, 04:26:24 AM
BTW...

The patch that BwackNinja supplied has been packaged by the debian maintainer Mateusz Łukasik and version 9.4-2 is in the FTP process of upload to the debian servers. I am running it now without issues, the mutex errors gone. Thank you for the help and support arclance and BwackNinja

Mutex free version of SpaceFM (https://packages.debian.org/sid/spacefm)

I am running it now with no issues... is still in the upload process via FTP but you can dload it from debian servers that it has reached it is now in the channels
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: statmonkey on October 02, 2014, 03:08:53 PM
Yep, just added back spacefm, ran an upgrade and ... we are back.  Giddy at having it again, it's like seeing an old high school friend.  ;)

Also another big load of additions in the upgrade as well as an apps to remove list about a mile long. 

Really great work on pushing along this spacefm fix VastOne.  If the udev2 stuff in it repaired we are far ahead of the game.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on October 02, 2014, 04:57:57 PM
^ Thank you statmonkey...

Just followed up on the right channels ... to the right people

Has it been a while since a dist-upgrade?  I am not seeing anything other than normal daily routine updates now
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: zbreaker on October 03, 2014, 01:30:25 AM
My warmest thanks to all who have contributed to this solution.

My newly beloved SpaceFM is back in business 8)
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on October 03, 2014, 01:40:40 AM
^ You bet!

Just another example of how we look for things to solve, it defines us...

I have always said this, and it epitomizes VSIDO and this Community quite well...

You are either part of the solution or part of the problem... you chose.  If it is the latter, get the hell out of my way!  8)
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: PackRat on October 20, 2014, 01:51:28 PM
Good that SpaceFM was fixed.

Just a drive by posting - should SpaceFM fall by the wayside again - I forgot about this file manager:

Sunflower File Manager - http://sunflower-fm.org/ (http://sunflower-fm.org/)

Pretty good file manager - but not in the repos; only dependencies are python and python-gtk which are usually installed. If you want the terminal python-vte needs to be installed.

Not recommending it for default in VSIDO, just dropping a link here for future reference should someone come looking.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: statmonkey on October 20, 2014, 05:34:01 PM
Thank you PackRat, that is a really nice find.  I really do think that SpaceFM is going to require a pretty major overhaul soon because of the udevil issues and changes in policies under the hood in Debian.  The disk stuff is really going to be changing and I wonder if they can keep up.  I have just started playing with sunflower but like what I have seen.  I need to monkey around with the customizations but like the simplicity and it looks clean.  installing it was a no-brainer with dependencies all already met.  This might be a nice little app to have around in the arsenal.  I just did a completely fresh install to JEDI and spacefm immediately died unless I was root.  No messages, no notifications, nothing logged.  It took me far too long (my issue) to realize that it was hating on my external quad drive bay and no amount of tinkering with udevil would seem to make them get along.  FWIW sunflower seems to be perfectly fine with it right out of the box. 
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on October 20, 2014, 05:58:04 PM
@RatMan.... Thanks for this find... I remember Sunflower from many moons ago and tried it I think on Fedora

@StatMan ... Well said.  I am growing more and more weary of SpaceFM and it's dependencies .. I will also monkey around with the customizations.. It is this type of info that I need to help in making changes ... I was not aware SpaceFM was puking on simple things ... I will take a good look at Sunflower with you
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on October 20, 2014, 06:04:05 PM
W O W

I lub it already... it is very small clean and powerful

Lets keep a list of what can be done with it somewhere... You mind starting that one statmonkey?
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: hakerdefo on October 25, 2014, 10:11:53 AM
It's been a while since I was here last! It seems I've missed some interesting discussions!
I think I saw this coming sometimes back,
http://vsido.org/index.php?topic=776.0 (http://vsido.org/index.php?topic=776.0)

SpaceFM alternative for vsido?
Theoretically there are some alternatives available in Debian Sid. I will list-link them in alphabetical order,


But practically I can't see past these two,


Why not something out of the Debian Sid repos?
Because Sid has a hobby of breaking  toys!

Cheers!!!
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: jeffreyC on October 26, 2014, 07:51:25 AM
As long as it's NOT rox-filer, I've tried that in puppy where it was the standard for years, it does not work at all like I expect a file manager to work.

But really it does not make much difference as long as it is not tied in too tightly to the whole, like Nautilus was to Gnome. (yeah, I know they've replaced that, shows how long since I've used Gnome)

Simple to apt-get/aptitude/Synaptic whatever is wanted.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: Digit on December 02, 2014, 01:16:03 AM
im late to the discussion (havent caught up with everything), but seems to me to find a replacement to spacefm is going to result in a loss (in features-to-lightness and awesomeness).

pcmanfm seems the immediate "only" choice.  but then ... how hard/bloaty would it be to have kde3's konqueror?   or... er... wasnt there a project that tried to make a stand-alone konqueror? ~ maybe i'm just thinking of amarok.

i'm still supposed to be taking it easy for health reasons, but the eager beaver workaholic who doesnt know his own limits in me wants to fork n maintain spacefm.  lol.

surely spacefm wont die, it's too good to die.  ~ maybe it's back from the dead already, i wouldnt know, outta the loop.

i'd suggest sunflower if it were a little more convention following in the little touches.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: Snap on December 04, 2014, 12:17:55 PM
New to the forum, but I have to say that spacefm is my favorite light weight file manger.  Thunar and pcmanfm never did it for me.

So, how's the situation? I just downloaded and installed the last Vsido iso two days ago and spacefm is still in. Will it be replaced any time soon?

Anyways, I just installed sunflower to give it a go and my vote goes for it... If this means something.  :D  It's amazing! Thanks for pointing out, PackRat. What a discovering!

Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on December 04, 2014, 04:40:55 PM
So long as SpaceFM is supported when there are issues, it will remain VSIDO's default file manager

Recent issues that disabled SpaceFM were dealt with when bug reports were done ... showing that even with the main developer on hiatus, bugs do get fixed in a very short period of time

Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: Snap on December 04, 2014, 11:20:23 PM
Good to know. Thanks, VastOne.
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: Digit on December 22, 2014, 08:50:22 AM
Good to know. Thanks, VastOne.
echo !!
Title: Re: SpaceFM replacement
Post by: VastOne on April 15, 2015, 10:38:17 PM
NOTE - SpaceFM is now back in full time development and support mode

A million thanks to IgnorantGuru and his team for all of their efforts in this incredible application


SpaceFM 1.0.0 has been packaged and released to SID repos (x64 version only so far)

A simple up (in VSIDO) or sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will get it for you

I have also changed the name of this thread from SpaceFM replacement to Long Live SpaceFM
Title: Re: Long Live SpaceFM (Was once SpaceFM replacement)
Post by: PackRat on April 15, 2015, 11:12:01 PM
Screenshot or it never happened -  ;D

(http://s15.postimg.org/yj5065k6v/April_1429139643_1366x768.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/yj5065k6v/)

Nice and smooth, awesome that this app survived. I installed the trash plugin so at least that one is compatible.
Title: Re: Long Live SpaceFM (Was once SpaceFM replacement)
Post by: VastOne on April 16, 2015, 01:21:23 AM
Thanks Mr RatMan, I had precious little ones occupying my time.. I appreciate it!
Title: Re: Long Live SpaceFM (Was once SpaceFM replacement)
Post by: Digit on July 28, 2015, 08:43:50 AM
joyous return.