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Title: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: VastOne on March 23, 2014, 09:24:30 PM
This discussion is overdue and with the latest issues with Iceweasel Aurora 30, it is very relevant

Right now Iceweasel (30) is broken (http://vsido.org/index.php?topic=751.msg8419#msg8419) and I have loaded and began using Chromium.  On one hand, everything is working and it does seem to be lighter both in memory and cpu.  OTOH, I get BULLSHIT ads in gmail which is a fecking joke... even though I have adblock loaded and engaged... adblock works on removing ads from any site but a google site, that is a deal breaker to me.

I would like to hear feedback from anyone...
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: zbreaker on March 23, 2014, 09:58:21 PM
Iceweasal/Firefox has always been slightly preferred  over Chromium personally. Even with the current bOrkage, I am confident things should get back
to norm shortly. On a more "non-free" vein I've also happily used Opera and still consider it to be a top performer.
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: jedi on March 23, 2014, 10:01:06 PM
I too will stumble through the borkage of Iceweasel for now.  The borkage with Chromium seems even worse to me and is intolerable...
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: PackRat on March 24, 2014, 12:50:07 AM
.... adblock works on removing ads from any site but a google site, that is a deal breaker to me.

that pretty much says it all; I had some similar issues last I tried it.

I too can put up with some broken-weasel knowing that it will get fixed.
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: VastOne on March 24, 2014, 12:57:49 AM
^ ^^ ^^^ same here...

One thing that REALLY pissed me off was a message from an add while on gmail... 'You are getting this Ad (Axe soap) due to what is seen in your email'

Now perhaps this message has always been there and blocked correctly since I have always used Iceweasel and this is the first time I have seen it... but WOW!  Really?  Telling me directly that you are spying on my email ...

That takes some balls...

I used to run my own email server forever... (when I owned vastone.com) ... perhaps it is time to just shift over to vsido.org or setup my own server again

Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: dizzie on March 24, 2014, 01:16:31 PM
Using smxi, try install google-chrome stable, what I use, and I rarely get any !@#$ ads!
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: siralucardt on March 24, 2014, 02:18:36 PM
In Sid, I prefer to use Iceweasel 24 (ESR version).  The only thing that bothers me though is that some of the addons I like using are outdated or abandoned.  I've tried using other browsers, but nothing else could convince me to switch so I just deal with the shortcomings.  Also, I trust Mozilla more than I do Google.
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: lwfitz on March 24, 2014, 03:08:22 PM
I have waited for this discussion since VSIDO was released and thought for sure I would push for chromium. Sadly, for the betterment of VSIDO as a whole my vote is to stay with iceweasel.
I love chromium and its what I use daily but every few months it updates and then becomes unusable as it will crash the desktop and send me back to lightdm to login again. This can be a problem if you have open work as it obviously closes everything and work gets lost.

This seems to be the first real issue with iceweasel that I have seen in over a year. That's not a bad run on an "unstable" operating system
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: hakerdefo on March 24, 2014, 05:25:39 PM
I would vote for Iceweasel. Though I don't use it much. But when it comes to choosing between Iceweasel and Chromium, I would only say 'Better the devil you know'  ;)
Personally I've always been opera fan! It is light on resources and even with dozens of open tabs it doesn't drag the system down. Even on low specs machines opera runs super fine. It is available for and runs on almost anything and everything that can display a webpage  8)
I can keep my bookmarks synchronized between all my devices and operating systems with ease. It natively supports Chat services. Opera always has the best browser user interface. And for me it's killer feature is the built-in mail client. The best email experience out there. Only thing that can go against is, It is non-free, But hey so has been every single girl that came in my life  :P

Cheers!!!
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: siralucardt on March 24, 2014, 07:20:33 PM
I agree, Opera certainly is a contender, aside from it being closed source. They had halted releases for Linux, but a new one is in the works according to Ruari (just don't know an exact date)...
http://ruario.ghost.io/2014/03/02/linux-and-blink-powered-opera/ (http://ruario.ghost.io/2014/03/02/linux-and-blink-powered-opera/)

I've been wanting to try out dwb but haven't gotten around to it yet...
http://portix.bitbucket.org/dwb/ (http://portix.bitbucket.org/dwb/)
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: ozitraveller on March 24, 2014, 11:24:33 PM
I usually use google-chrome-stable, and just try and ignore the ads. Either really works for me.

But for my distro live-build I prefer iceweasel as it's a much smaller package and takes up less space in the image.

just my 2c's

:)
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: superwow on March 25, 2014, 06:37:26 AM
VastOne you might try changing to AdBlock Edge. It apparently is the cutting edge blocker which hasn't sold out. Adblock has entered corporate agreements to allow ads from some retailers (for a fee) (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2043847/advertisers-can-pay-adblock-plus-to-look-the-other-way.html).

Or you might consider blocking ads at the machine level with HostBlock (http://gaenserich.github.io/hostsblock/). It definitely works but I am not using it at the moment (have never used it on VSIDO) since I just don't have enough time to configure at the moment. Arch friends keep an active thread (https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=139784), a delish read if you are like minded.

As to the browser topic, for years I was a total Firefox whore. If simply for Vertical Toolbar (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vertical-toolbar/?src=userprofile). I still love it, but, I have to admit, the integration of Chrome with Google services is fantastic, despite the ads. Especially if you have an Android phone or tablet. A substantial reason MS is losing marketshare to the painfree ChromeOS imho. I have a hard time sticking to Firefox/Iceweasel but I still love it. For me, it also renders webpages better in VSIDO than Iceweasel, and it's decorations are more consistent than Iceweasel. Not sure why. Plus Chrome generally outlasts the other browsers in security challenges which is a substantial concern of mine.

I agree with others on Opera too; they are innovators the others copy, even if they aren't FOSS. But for FOSS options, Midori and SeaMonkey are pretty dern good last time I used them.
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: hakerdefo on March 25, 2014, 10:57:54 AM
...Or you might consider blocking ads at the machine level with HostBlock (http://gaenserich.github.io/hostsblock/). It definitely works but I am not using it at the moment (have never used it on VSIDO) since I just don't have enough time to configure at the moment...

No need for difficult and time consuming configs. Here is a simpler solution,
http://vsido.org/index.php?topic=757.0 (http://vsido.org/index.php?topic=757.0)

Cheers!!!
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: tlinsley on March 25, 2014, 12:07:03 PM
I generally prefer FF/IW over Chrom(e|ium) every time.

But...if you want to avoid the Gmail ads in Chrome, load up the Gmelius extension from the Chrome web store.  It blocks the pesky Gmail ads and allows you to "correct" some of Gmail's UI issues.
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: blaze on March 26, 2014, 10:40:35 AM
Just my 2cents, Iceweasel/Firefox Aurora, because I am used to it and it always deliver.
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: superwow on April 01, 2014, 04:47:52 AM
@hakerdefo, thanks for your solution. I like this solution too (in addition / substitution to Hostblock). I'll have to try it out.
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: Gordon on April 23, 2014, 08:06:40 PM
Hi.

For me I liked Iceweasel until the latest release which doesn't work. I tried firefox but it wouldn't download for some reason or other so I am now using QupZilla, it isnt bad but I can't get it not to remember any history which annoys me. I have used opera in the past and found it to be ok but have never liked google chrome or Chromium. I tried to download SwiftFox but it doesn't appear to be available on a 64 bit machine. Still I will find one I like eventually  :)
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: jedi on April 23, 2014, 10:23:30 PM
Hey Gordon, try out the Firefox Nightly release version!  It is awesome and gets updated nightly.  You can get it from the following link;

https://nightly.mozilla.org/ (https://nightly.mozilla.org/)
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: Gordon on April 24, 2014, 07:56:29 PM
Hi jedi

Thanks for the link. tried it all out and couldn't understand why it didn't work. Just tried or about to download again and read a bit more. its all intel and I am using AMD so will have to try from somewhere else   :)
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: jedi on April 25, 2014, 01:32:47 AM
Actually, I got the idea to use the nightly build from VastOne during the last Iceweasel problem a few versions back.  I know that all of VastOne's equipment, (or most of it anyway) is AMD as well.  I'm pretty sure it shouldn't make any difference on the chip architecture as long as you don't pull a switcheroo from 64bit to 32bit or vice-versa.  Just download the correct tar.bz2 file, and extract it to your home directory.
If your using Fluxbox, in the menu you'll see a Fluxbox selection, under that you'll find the 'Fluxbox Menu Editor' and from there you can make a simple link to the correct 'firefox' file in your newly created '/home/Gordon/firefox/firefox'.  The icon can be found in the icon folder in one of the subdirectories of /home/Gordon/firefox.  Once you've created this new menu entry, using the 'Fluxbox Menu Editor', just save and quit.  Again, from the Fluxbox menu, (the one you get to open by right clicking anywhere on your desktop) select the 'Fluxbox' selection, under that you'll see a selection that says 'Restart Fluxbox', just click on that and you should be good to go.  There should now be a new entry in your Fluxbox menu that points to the newly extracted Firefox Nightly build that you extracted to your /home/Gordon/firefox directory.
The nice thing about the nightly build, is that it auto updates itself everyday, (or nightly as is usually the case, thus the name "Firefox Nightly") and is the latest and greatest from the Mozilla team.
Since using this version of the Mozilla browser, I've had no issues whatsoever.  If you need further help, just let me know...
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: Gordon on April 26, 2014, 06:54:44 PM
Hi jedi.

Well I have tried again with no luck. I have downloaded Linux(intel,64bit) from the desktop menu and tried extract to from the dropdown menu and tar xvjf firefox-31.0a1.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 which initself places in in b2g none of which will let me run firefox. Am i supposed to to do something else as well ?
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: PackRat on April 26, 2014, 07:50:16 PM
In a terminal, cd to your newly extracted firefox directory. Try to run firefox from the command line -

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./firefox
be sure to use the ./ so that the firefox binary in the new directory is called, otherwise the first instance of firefox on your PATH will execute.

Note if there are any error messages. You're using an alpha release so you may have some file version conflicts.
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: Gordon on April 27, 2014, 07:23:13 AM
hi PackRat.

Thanks for that. I have just run that command as root in all four locations  ( filestream , b2g , home , gordon ) and all I get is
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bash: ./firefox: No such file or directory so I guess that I hve done something wrong again.   No idea what though  :(
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: PackRat on April 27, 2014, 02:41:02 PM
That should have worked - I'm using it right now to post.

Here are my steps.

1. in your home directory (I'll use /home/gordon in this example) create a directory where you want firefox - don't name it firefox, I'll use browser for this example
2. Download the Linux (Intel, 64-bit) version from the Desktop section in the link provided by jedi - download into the directory you created
3. Extract the file:

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tar -xvjf firefox-31.0a1.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2
4. change to the directory that has the firefox binary

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cd /home/gordon/browser/firefox
5. run ./firefox as before - no need to be root - and the firefox nightly build should now start.

If you're the only user on your computer, you can set up your menus to use this firefox now, or create a symlink in a directory that is on your path.

If there are other users, adjust Step 1 so the directory or download isn't in your home directory, you'll probably need to use root permissions for that. Then create a symlink to a directory that is common to every users path.

For example:

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sudo mkdir /opt/browser
download file to /home/gordon/downloads and copy to /opt/browser and extract it there. Once it's extracted, create a symlink to a common path directory:

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sudo cp /home/gordon/downloads/firefox-31.0a1.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 /opt/browser/

sudo tar -xvjf /opt/browser/firefox-31.0a1.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2

sudo ln -s /opt/browser/firefox/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox

Note that creating the browser directory is optional since extracting the file creates a firefox directory; you can copy the file directly to /opt then extract and make the symlink if you prefer.

And this thread has been totally highjacked so the discussion should probably move (be moved) to the help section.
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: Gordon on April 27, 2014, 05:58:43 PM
Hi PackRat,

Guess I am not destined not to have firefox nightly as all I am getting now is a download error. I will try again sometime later  :D :D
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: PackRat on April 27, 2014, 06:48:05 PM
Patience is a virtue  ;D
Title: Re: Chromium or Iceweasel
Post by: Gordon on May 01, 2014, 04:33:39 PM
Hi All

Well I got there in the end. I am now on nightly. I had to install Iceweasel to download the package from the nightly site. There is obviously something wrong with Qupzilla but no idea what as it also messed up reading my emails. Needless to say that I wont be using it again. All I have to now is learn how to sort out nightly  ;D Knowing me I probably mess it up a couple of time first though, much fun to be had  ::)