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Title: VSIDO openbox
Post by: mrneilypops on January 17, 2013, 06:47:21 PM
Could you do a VSIDO openbox (only) spin?
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: VastOne on January 17, 2013, 06:57:16 PM
No...   ???

This was only going to be an Xfce spin but I was persuaded to include OB, and I am glad I did

You really do not have anything in OB that is impacted by having Xfce also installed. There are a couple of things that OB uses from Xfce (power management, volume indicator), but these are the same things that CrunchBang uses in a OB only install also

You could remove Xfce if you wanted to and just keep those apps needed.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: Sector11 on January 17, 2013, 08:26:59 PM
And I'm the guy that persuaded him to add OB.  ;D

He hates to see a grown man  :'(
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: falldown on January 17, 2013, 08:46:22 PM
I'm an openbox man myself, but Xfce has grown on me.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: Sector11 on January 17, 2013, 09:31:25 PM
Funny how things work out.  I used Xfce before OpenBox and I'm now hooked on OB.

BUT, VastOne's VSIDO XFCE4  has made Xfce4 a thing of beauty, of that there is no doubt.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: dizzie on January 20, 2013, 07:35:08 PM
Icons scares the shit out of me, so atm i use either or: Openbox / i3.
Even at work: using a old but awesome SGI Indigo, i use Openbox  ;D

Some derp at work saw my desktop and went "Heyyy is that the new windows 8" I swear if i had a blunt object i would've stabbed his face  :o
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: Sector11 on January 20, 2013, 08:01:31 PM
Some derp at work saw my desktop and went "Heyyy is that the new windows 8" I swear if i had a blunt object i would've stabbed his face  :o

I would have said:  mumble quietly no! mumble Sexy huh!  AND they finally got rid of the 'registry', 'firewalls', and hey guess what - no viruses.  I LOVE THIS OS!!!!

and laughed as I watched him making a bee-line for the nearest computer store.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: jst_joe on January 20, 2013, 11:09:34 PM
And I'm the guy that persuaded him to add OB.  ;D

He hates to see a grown man  :'(

And I'm glad you did.
Don't get me wrong, I used xubuntu as soon as ubuntu went to gnome3 then unity.
Then I found #! and fell in love with openbox.
It's like a clean slate, you make it your way. IMHO!  ;D
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: Sector11 on January 21, 2013, 12:00:28 AM
@ jst_joe - You and followed the same path, but for different reasons.

Ubuntu 7.04 to 8.04 when I switched to Xubuntu because Ubuntu was really slowing down on my P-III with 512MB RAM.

Then I noticed the same thing when Xubuntu hit v9.04 ... really bothered me too, because they claimed it was "light - for older computers" and I loved Xfce over GNOME.

I went distro-hopping, not for testing, but looking for something that would work a little faster.  Imagine my surprise when I installed #! v9.04.1, knowing it was Ubuntu based.

At first I was lost ... installed programs and they weren't in the menus.  Bad menu, bad bad!  What did I do wrong?  It did get easier...  and I got hooked on #! and OpenBox, with a computer upgrade (used parts) from the P-III to an AMD64 single core with 2GB RAM ... I was flying high!

And along comes #! v10 with an Xfce session added - I talked VastOne into trying it.  He loved it.  Somewhere in this happy mess #! switched to Debian "testing" that made me even happier.

CRUNCH! BANG! SCREECH! HALT!  Next version of #! and it was OpenBox only. OH! OH!  VastOne was not happy!  He installed Xfce4 and went to work. Tweaking this, doing that, pulling this out adding that bit  ....

And here we are!

Now Don't get me wrong, I love #! and still do. It's based on "testing" and as solid as a rock, despite what they say.

I've been running SID since I used VastOne's "Yet another Debian Net-install script" and added #! scripts to it.  If #! is the greatest Distro east of the Atlantic, then VSIDO is the greatest little Distro west of the Atlantic.

If someone wants Debian "testing" I recommend #! hands down, without even blinking an eye.

If they want SID ... "Have to heard of VSIDO?"
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: omns on January 21, 2013, 02:50:02 AM
And I'm the guy that persuaded him to add OB.  ;D

He hates to see a grown man  :'(
Toughen up VastOne and obliterate OB once and for all :P :)
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: Sector11 on January 21, 2013, 06:46:44 PM
^ Too late, I have three ISO's here  8)

Hey, VastOne, can I ban the guy with the funny blue arrow on his head?  :D
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: omns on January 22, 2013, 12:03:23 AM
Hey, VastOne, can I ban the guy with the funny blue arrow on his head?  :D
lol, give it all you've got ;)
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: VastOne on January 22, 2013, 12:05:56 AM
And in this corner...  :P

It took a lot of coin to get me to include OB...  :-*

Love the avatar bodhiri!
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: Sector11 on January 22, 2013, 01:46:35 AM
squinting .... groaning ..... focusing .... letting'er rip .....

Nope, that blue arrow must be some kind of magic.

He untouchable!  Blue Kryptonite maybe?  There is only one other thing to do ...

Hi bodhiri - welcome.  ;D
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: jst_joe on January 23, 2013, 12:47:02 AM
@ jst_joe - You and followed the same path, but for different reasons.

Ubuntu 7.04 to 8.04 when I switched to Xubuntu because Ubuntu was really slowing down on my P-III with 512MB RAM.

Then I noticed the same thing when Xubuntu hit v9.04 ... really bothered me too, because they claimed it was "light - for older computers" and I loved Xfce over GNOME.

I went distro-hopping, not for testing, but looking for something that would work a little faster.  Imagine my surprise when I installed #! v9.04.1, knowing it was Ubuntu based.

At first I was lost ... installed programs and they weren't in the menus.  Bad menu, bad bad!  What did I do wrong?  It did get easier...  and I got hooked on #! and OpenBox, with a computer upgrade (used parts) from the P-III to an AMD64 single core with 2GB RAM ... I was flying high!

And along comes #! v10 with an Xfce session added - I talked VastOne into trying it.  He loved it.  Somewhere in this happy mess #! switched to Debian "testing" that made me even happier.

CRUNCH! BANG! SCREECH! HALT!  Next version of #! and it was OpenBox only. OH! OH!  VastOne was not happy!  He installed Xfce4 and went to work. Tweaking this, doing that, pulling this out adding that bit  ....

And here we are!

Now Don't get me wrong, I love #! and still do. It's based on "testing" and as solid as a rock, despite what they say.

I've been running SID since I used VastOne's "Yet another Debian Net-install script" and added #! scripts to it.  If #! is the greatest Distro east of the Atlantic, then VSIDO is the greatest little Distro west of the Atlantic.

If someone wants Debian "testing" I recommend #! hands down, without even blinking an eye.

If they want SID ... "Have to heard of VSIDO?"

Very different reasons!
However your point is excellent and well taken.
Funny though I was working on a Windows puter today for a customer and kept right clicking on the desktop...
WTF: "Where's the menu?"  :D
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: omns on January 25, 2013, 12:06:16 AM
Now Don't get me wrong, I love #! and still do. It's based on "testing" and as solid as a rock, despite what they say.
Technically, that's not correct despite Waldorf (based on testing) being the current release. The Statler release was based on Stable. Waldorf was the development (testing based) release until a few weeks ago when corenominal made the decision that it is already stable enough and it is now the recommended download with Statler removed from the main download page. When Wheezy is released there will be a final stable Waldorf release and CrunchBang will continue to be a stable release distro.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: VastOne on January 25, 2013, 12:12:29 AM
That's interesting news bodhiri ... Still being a moderator there you would think I would have seen that news.

I must have missed the announcement
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: omns on January 25, 2013, 12:23:51 AM
 :D Well you've been a little busy I guess :)
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: dizzie on January 25, 2013, 02:55:51 AM
CB/Sid would be nice, but that might never happen... But you never know :)
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: jst_joe on January 25, 2013, 03:14:32 AM
Now Don't get me wrong, I love #! and still do. It's based on "testing" and as solid as a rock, despite what they say.
Technically, that's not correct despite Waldorf (based on testing) being the current release. The Statler release was based on Stable. Waldorf was the development (testing based) release until a few weeks ago when corenominal made the decision that it is already stable enough and it is now the recommended download with Statler removed form the main download page. When Wheezy is released there will be a final stable Waldorf release and CrunchBang will continue to be a stable release distro.

Actually if you reread the posts Sector11 made that statement and I agree with him.
Hell I run Waldorf on my laptop that's only capable of running  an x686 kernel.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: Sector11 on January 25, 2013, 03:16:43 AM
@ bodhiri

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't jst_joe that said:

Now Don't get me wrong, I love #! and still do. It's based on "testing" and as solid as a rock, despite what they say.

.. that was me.

And as I read your comment, I heard Mr Nimzicki of ID4 saying, "Uh... Mr. President. That's not entirely accurate."

It's a bit confusing. I have determined it is a matter of tense:
* I hit post and jst_joe beat me to the punch.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: jst_joe on January 25, 2013, 03:30:57 AM
Fresh from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

Quote from: corenominal
Updated Waldorf images are available now.

It has been approximately 3 months since the previous Waldorf images were built, so I figured the time was right to upload some updated builds. To be honest, I was tempted to wait until Debian Wheezy migrates to stable before updating the builds, but Debian being Debian (released when ready), it could mean waiting a week, a month, or even a year (although best estimates indicate it could be ~3 months).

Anyhow, the new images contain some fixes to the installer that affected installations performed using DVD media. Personally, I tend to install via a USB stick (the recommended method), so I had not come across the bug myself, until somebody else mentioned it. The bug appeared as an error message just before the GRUB install screen, where it asked the user to insert an additional disk. To fix this, I have applied some patches to the apt-setup component of the Debian Installer. I have tested the fixes on a couple of machines and they appear to work, however, it would be good to have them tested by others.

Other minor changes of note are:

    Iceweasel updated to version 18.

    VLC has replaced GNOME-MPlayer -- back by popular demand.

    A Policy Kit Local Authority file has been added to enable easy mounting of internal drives within Thunar.

    xfce4-power-manager has been patched to fix a long standing issue whereby the battery status icon would cause a visual error within tint2's system tray, after a system had been suspended and resumed.

As with the previous updated Waldorf images, other changes have been kept to an absolute minimum and any existing Waldorf users should not need to perform a new installation, unless they wish to help with testing the install process.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed feedback, ideas, patches, code and financial help. CrunchBang would not be possible without you! I hope you enjoy these updated builds.

Happy CrunchBangin'!
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: VastOne on January 25, 2013, 03:35:11 AM
I did see and read all of that but did not see where Statler was taken down and Wally was now the preferred dload...

Sleeping at the switch, I am, yes...
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: VastOne on January 25, 2013, 03:37:51 AM
@ dizzie... What in the world does VSIDO Xfce have to do with Icons?

If there are any outside of the menus (same as in OB) and tint2 panels (same as in OB) on your desktop then we have an issue...

One can love Xfce and still hate icons.. that would be me, yes...  ;D
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: Sector11 on January 25, 2013, 03:44:23 AM
One can love any DE or WM and hate Desktop Icons - that would be me too.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: jst_joe on January 25, 2013, 03:49:10 AM
I did see and read all of that but did not see where Statler was taken down and Wally was now the preferred dload...

Sleeping at the switch, I am, yes...

I'm not reading it that way either.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: Sector11 on January 25, 2013, 03:55:43 AM
CrunchBang v10 is still available. (http://crunchbang.org/download/)

Now I'm confused.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: jst_joe on January 25, 2013, 04:03:30 AM
Statler is still stable.
Waldorf is still testing.
Hope that helps. :)
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: omns on January 25, 2013, 04:20:38 AM
I did see and read all of that but did not see where Statler was taken down and Wally was now the preferred dload...

Sleeping at the switch, I am, yes...
I didn't say Statler was taken down, just that Waldorf is now the default/preferred/recommended download. I did say it was removed which it has been from the default download page. A link exists there now if you still want Statler.

corenominal's thinking on this is explained later in the thread

http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=284563#p284563 (http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=284563#p284563)
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: VastOne on January 25, 2013, 04:28:38 AM
Ahh Thanks mate, that cleared it all up!

Appreciate it!
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: omns on January 25, 2013, 05:02:00 AM
And as I read your comment, I heard Mr Nimzicki of ID4 saying, "Uh... Mr. President. That's not entirely accurate."
Yeah, it went through my mind as I wrote it :) I also fixed up your quote in my post.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: Sector11 on January 25, 2013, 05:35:49 AM
Thanks bodhiri.

Got it now.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: Sector11 on January 25, 2013, 05:44:30 AM
@ bodhiri

I'd say great minds think alike but Nimzicki wasn't playing with a full deck.
My humble opinion!

And sometime I wonder about me too!  :D  :D  :D
naaaaaaaa ... I got 54 cards! I'm  8)

Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: dizzie on January 25, 2013, 02:26:32 PM
VastOne, only one issue  ???


You been cheating on me!  :P
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: ozitraveller on February 19, 2013, 10:18:15 PM
@ jst_joe - You and followed the same path, but for different reasons.

Ubuntu 7.04 to 8.04 when I switched to Xubuntu because Ubuntu was really slowing down on my P-III with 512MB RAM.

Then I noticed the same thing when Xubuntu hit v9.04 ... really bothered me too, because they claimed it was "light - for older computers" and I loved Xfce over GNOME.

I went distro-hopping, not for testing, but looking for something that would work a little faster.  Imagine my surprise when I installed #! v9.04.1, knowing it was Ubuntu based.

At first I was lost ... installed programs and they weren't in the menus.  Bad menu, bad bad!  What did I do wrong?  It did get easier...  and I got hooked on #! and OpenBox, with a computer upgrade (used parts) from the P-III to an AMD64 single core with 2GB RAM ... I was flying high!

And along comes #! v10 with an Xfce session added - I talked VastOne into trying it.  He loved it.  Somewhere in this happy mess #! switched to Debian "testing" that made me even happier.

CRUNCH! BANG! SCREECH! HALT!  Next version of #! and it was OpenBox only. OH! OH!  VastOne was not happy!  He installed Xfce4 and went to work. Tweaking this, doing that, pulling this out adding that bit  ....

And here we are!

Now Don't get me wrong, I love #! and still do. It's based on "testing" and as solid as a rock, despite what they say.

I've been running SID since I used VastOne's "Yet another Debian Net-install script" and added #! scripts to it.  If #! is the greatest Distro east of the Atlantic, then VSIDO is the greatest little Distro west of the Atlantic.

If someone wants Debian "testing" I recommend #! hands down, without even blinking an eye.

If they want SID ... "Have to heard of VSIDO?"

@Sector11
OMG we're twins  :o  Same life experience......

Could I get VSIDO on my 7" tablet??
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: VastOne on February 19, 2013, 10:26:29 PM
If it is 64 bit...  ;)
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: ozitraveller on February 19, 2013, 10:37:03 PM
If it is 64 bit...  ;)


haha that was quicker that I thought you'd reply!!! :) And shorter too!!!

I'd be interested to know how you put all this together, but I'm quite sure you haven't any time to write it down. I am curious though...
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: VastOne on February 19, 2013, 10:49:11 PM
Actually, I had every thing I wanted for quite a long time and kept trying to use debian live forever... Finally realized that the debian installer would not work on SID which was my objective.. About 4 months ago, remastersys delivered a functional wheezy based app that worked great on SID and had a fully functional and blazing fast installer built into it.  It is not as glamorous or has as many options as Debian's installer or partman, but it does get the job done.. It also was capable of using the xz compression on the kernel for the first time which greatly reduced the size of the ISO

Once I had that, it took me another month or so to really get the ISO size down by eliminating some of the cruft debian installs that is not needed...

From there it has been a tweak here and a tweak there, a couple of mistakes, a couple of rejects, and the realization that two of kernels I started with Liquorix and Siduction was overkill and too much to support... (but easy to get)... and here we are...

Remastersys is loaded with everything I used to create VSIDO on every install... I also have a 2.5 gig fsarchive of the actual stripped down file system if you want it ... It is completely functional... If you were to use Remastersys on a new install, you would need to use bleachbit root and localepurge to really get the size down...

Was that enough from my poor old foggy memory?

Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: VastOne on February 19, 2013, 10:51:19 PM
Of course the most important part is having /etc/skel setup with all the configs so it brings what you want the desktop to be in the end... It really was not much different than setting up a normal OB and Xfce session to what you (me) use and taking out your personal parts of it...
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: ozitraveller on February 19, 2013, 11:22:23 PM
Thanks VastOne that's awesome  :) Hopefully this will be a better way than maintaining a script.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: VastOne on February 19, 2013, 11:24:17 PM
Oh hell yes...  :)  A lot easier to see and maintain the changes and keep the script out of hands that may not understand it...  ???
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: ozitraveller on February 19, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Excellent that's for me then. ;)
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: ozitraveller on February 19, 2013, 11:47:05 PM
Do you maintain a separate build box or do you just do everything off your regular desktop?
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: VastOne on February 20, 2013, 12:01:40 AM
I have several partitions that are all the same on 3 different machines that I use as my build boxes..  Were you referring to an online buildbox?
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: ozitraveller on February 20, 2013, 12:53:30 AM
I have several partitions that are all the same on 3 different machines that I use as my build boxes..  Were you referring to an online buildbox?

I think that answers my question, you have a separate build environment.
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: ozitraveller on February 24, 2013, 02:53:06 AM
I've been hunting around to find out more about debian live, and came across these 2 links.

http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build (http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build)
From this url I ordered a sid, netinstall, xfce, and I'm waiting to be notified when it's ready. I'm 11th in line for my order to be processed!

http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html#89 (http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html#89)
I also had a search through this manual and looks like sid can be done, it mentions sid in at least 4 places.

I'd like to give this a try to see how far I get.

Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: VastOne on February 24, 2013, 03:00:47 AM
I have used the first link and it works for a livecd bit there is no installer option, a very generic build just like a netinstall

The second I have read through and through following everything, no matter what I have tried, the build never includes an installer with the build

I wish you better luck than what I have had
Title: Re: VSIDO openbox
Post by: ozitraveller on February 24, 2013, 04:00:48 AM
Thanks I might not do any better.