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Title: Distro Hopping
Post by: VastOne on June 24, 2013, 08:40:12 PM
First look at Oracle's Linux... running it in a VM on VSIDO, yum and gnome2 on a Btrfs file system

(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/screenshot-06242013-033509pm.php) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-06242013-033509pm.php)

Not bad...
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: jedi on June 25, 2013, 12:27:16 AM
Not really a true Distro Hopper, but I do like to play!  VSIDO is my personal favorite so I have played with these two using VirtualBox.

Fedora 18 64 bit;

(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/screenshot-06242013-080835pm.png) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-06242013-080835pm.php)

Arch Linux 64 bit:

(http://www.zimagez.com/miniature/screenshot-06242013-081132pm.png) (http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-06242013-081132pm.php)

I've been trying to download the Oracle Linux release, but not every site is as well run as this one.  I can't seem to get it to download!  Oh well...
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: VastOne on June 26, 2013, 01:22:30 AM
^ Nice...  I think you would be disappointed with Oracle Linux... it was like stepping back to 3 years ago...

What do you think of Arch and Fedora?
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: jedi on June 26, 2013, 04:08:34 AM
Oracle Linux sucked!  Waste of dl time.  Deleted.

I like Arch and Fedora is pretty slick too.  Of course nothing compares to VSIDO!!!!
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: dizzie on June 26, 2013, 06:10:56 AM
I get amazed everytime I get here. Now i've seen it all... Jedi and Arch  ???
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: jedi on June 26, 2013, 07:20:17 AM
Dizzie, you gotta get back here.  We miss you and your wit.  Not to mention the coffee and cutting!  Here's hoping your return is imminent!

And oh yeah, whats not to like about Arch?
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: PackRat on June 26, 2013, 11:47:25 AM
And oh yeah, whats not to like about Arch?

Now there's a loaded question.  :D

@vastone - So Oracle has released a RedHat based distro; have you tried CentOS so you can compare the two? I read through the Oracle site, didn't see any real advantage.

Going to date myself a bit - back in the day, I checked out Sun's linux release - based on Suse - they really screwed the pooch with that one; I never understood why they didn't release a Solaris for the desktop (what project Indiana is today, I suppose). I ran Soloaris 10 for about a year and it was actually pretty smooth.
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: dizzie on June 27, 2013, 06:39:17 AM
dizzie, you gotta get back here.  We miss you and your wit.  Not to mention the coffee and cutting!  Here's hoping your return is imminent!


That bad, or shit-just-hit-the-fan bad? :D


My vac starts in 10 days ish, and i have 30 days off work, so hell yes I will be back! :)
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: VastOne on June 30, 2013, 02:26:58 AM
^ about time, you bastard!  :-*
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: dizzie on July 01, 2013, 09:11:39 AM

But I have been busy doing this

(http://s11.postimg.org/gzb9gbeqn/IMG_0594.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/gzb9gbeqn/)


New hardware too :


i5-3570k
GF 640
8GB DDR3
500 GB HDD


Left is for clothes
Right is for hardware and etc


Totalprice for both + deskplate = $232


Just need to finish building the other PC (FX-6300)


Until then, have a grand day all :D
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: VastOne on July 01, 2013, 01:22:55 PM
^ I see no refrigerator off any kind!  What gives?

 :D  :D

Looks good mate!
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: jedi on July 01, 2013, 02:58:13 PM
Coffee needs no refrigeration!
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: dizzie on July 02, 2013, 06:56:20 AM
Coffee needs no refrigeration!


Bwahahah! NICE Jedi :D
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: lwfitz on July 02, 2013, 08:55:53 PM
Quote from: dizzie
Just need to finish building the other PC (FX-6300)

Just have to out do me dont you?  ::)  You take a 6 month vacation and now you show up without cake?  :D
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: dizzie on July 03, 2013, 12:01:26 AM
Quote from: dizzie
Just need to finish building the other PC (FX-6300)

Just have to out do me dont you?  ::)  You take a 6 month vacation and now you show up without cake?  :D


(http://s23.postimg.org/kj5bqg5iv/chocolate_birth_day_cake.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/kj5bqg5iv/)


Theres your cake :D and yes I do :)


I like my i5-3750 the most, hehe its fast as hell  8)
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: mrneilypops on August 11, 2013, 06:47:24 PM
Awesome Jessie Dremora  8)

(http://s19.postimg.org/4me02otrj/Screenshot_110813_19_34_21.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4me02otrj/)

A distrolette I am working on...alpha mode!

https://sourceforge.net/projects/awesomejessie/?source=navbar (https://sourceforge.net/projects/awesomejessie/?source=navbar)

...featuring the awesome themes of copycat-killer;
https://github.com/copycat-killer/awesome-copycats (https://github.com/copycat-killer/awesome-copycats)
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: VastOne on August 11, 2013, 10:56:41 PM
Very cool mrneilypops! 

Release date?
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: mrneilypops on August 12, 2013, 10:34:25 AM
Hmm...how long is a piece of string?
I would think I should have something quite stable by the end of the year.

Please give it a try and tell me what you think so far...
It has the refracta installer included if you have a VM to give it a whirl.
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: VastOne on August 12, 2013, 04:20:24 PM
^ Loaded into a VM now... I get grub and select Awesome jessie but I am presented with a tty1 login screen

Whats the login and pw?

Edit -

found it in your readme on SF

live

live

Thanks

Edit -

I logged in and did a startx and I am into Awesome

Edit -

I tried running gparted from the menu, I always setup my partitions before the installer. It would not start from the menu.  It started fine from terminal and from within the installer, just wanted you to know
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: VastOne on August 12, 2013, 04:55:10 PM
@ mrneilypops

I have tried your version of the refracta installer and it worked as it should.  When I tested it, it did not allow me to create a  new user.

Did you alter the installer at all?  If not, can you link me the version you have?

Thanks
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: mrneilypops on August 12, 2013, 06:29:19 PM
Hey VastOne,
Thanks for the testing, I really appreciate your feedback on my project.  8)
I will investigate gparted....
As for the installer I will check with Mr.Refracta...
Thanks for your patience and remembering that this is project is 'alpha' for me and the distrolette.

I will try and keep you updated my friend.  ;)

EDIT: I thought about gparted...common problem...gparted appears in  the menu but does not start on many different distros..
EDIT: i have not altered the installer as of yet...
The only answer I have is;

Code: [Select]
gksu gparted
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: jedi on August 13, 2013, 03:48:56 AM
Awesome Jessie Dremora  8)

A distrolette I am working on...alpha mode!
...featuring the awesome themes of copycat-killer;


mrneilypops...
Installed your Alpha distrolette and have decided to give the tilers another chance.  The install went fine, but personally I think a newer user (which quite possibly isn't even your intended target group) would be a bit overwhelmed.

It installed for me without any problems/troubles what so ever.  I did it of course in a VM using VirtualBox.  So far you have a nice looking distrolette as you call it working pretty great in its Alpha stage!  Nice work.  Including the copycat themes was a real plus...

This message was brought to you from Awesome Jessie Dremora using Iceweasel for the browser!
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: mrneilypops on August 13, 2013, 11:25:15 AM
@Jedi
You are my hero!  8)
Thanks so much for the testing and yes the distrolette is not intended for new users.
I am an awesome fanboy but still learning and this project is part of the process.

@Vastone
Thanks for your valued input also  8)
This might help in creating a new user;
http://refracta.freeforums.org/post2779.html#p2779 (http://refracta.freeforums.org/post2779.html#p2779)
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: VastOne on August 13, 2013, 02:43:05 PM
^ Thanks...
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: jeffreyC on April 17, 2014, 02:43:15 AM
Awesome Jessie Dremora  8)

(http://s19.postimg.org/4me02otrj/Screenshot_110813_19_34_21.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4me02otrj/)

A distrolette I am working on...alpha mode!

https://sourceforge.net/projects/awesomejessie/?source=navbar (https://sourceforge.net/projects/awesomejessie/?source=navbar)

...featuring the awesome themes of copycat-killer;
https://github.com/copycat-killer/awesome-copycats (https://github.com/copycat-killer/awesome-copycats)

Is it 32 bit or 64 bit ?

There is no indication on any of your sourceforge projects.
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: PackRat on November 17, 2015, 09:18:36 PM
New release of Puppy Linux - (http://bkhome.org/news/?viewDetailed=00293)

Been a while. My favorite rescue distro now comes in 64-bit; based on Slackware 14.1 -

(http://en.zimagez.com/miniature/screenshot161517.png) (http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot161517.php)
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: Snap on November 19, 2015, 08:52:27 AM
Slackware? They moved from ubuntu? Interesting. Thanks for sharing, Ratman.
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: hakerdefo on November 19, 2015, 10:52:43 AM
Slackware? They moved from ubuntu? Interesting. Thanks for sharing, Ratman.
Hi there Snap,
Puppy linux is built using binary packages from another distributions. This is done using a build tool called 'Woof'. What this means is that you can built your own version of Puppy linux using Woof. Currently Woof supports Ubuntu, Debian, Slackware, Arch, T2, Mageia and of-course Puppy. Ubuntu and Slackware based versions are official versions but there are countless other spins-respins out there developed by community. Here is a useful link,

Puppy Derivatives (http://murga-linux.com/puppy/index.php?f=35&sid=52cea77da39612957fc0b2672c5dfa69)

Cheers!!!
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: Snap on November 22, 2015, 07:07:56 AM
Thanks for clarifying, hackerdefo. Puppy has been always a bit confusing to me. It's like a thousand different spins out there. Also in my few tries with Puppy the rox thing put me away soon. Cannot get used to it. That's the reason why I'm never too tempted besides I find it quite interesting.
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: hakerdefo on November 23, 2015, 10:36:05 AM
Try this pup,

http://smokey01.com/carolina/isos/lina-1.3.iso

I hope you'll like it.
Cheers!!!
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: Snap on November 24, 2015, 08:32:22 AM
Downloading. Thanks ;)
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: PackRat on November 24, 2015, 03:09:37 PM
Try this pup,

http://smokey01.com/carolina/isos/lina-1.3.iso

I hope you'll like it.
Cheers!!!

that's a nice puppy build.

Do you know if the puppy frisbee network manager has been ported, or is otherwise available for, debian-based systems?
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: hakerdefo on November 26, 2015, 07:37:57 AM
You can give a shot at compiling it. Here are the required sources,

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=37535
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=37533

You'll also need 'wpasupplicant' and 'dhcpcd' installed. Let us know if it compiles and works. And yes modify the frisbee source to use the notification application of your choice it defaults to 'xpupsay' which is another puppy specific thing. According to jemimah, author of frisbee, frisbee could be modified to use the splash program of choice.
Cheers!!!
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: PackRat on November 26, 2015, 02:10:48 PM
I'll give that a shot - maybe later this weekend. American holiday of Thanksgiving today, then a fishing trip.
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: zbreaker on November 27, 2015, 04:10:20 PM
Speaking of Slackware, they've come out with a live version. You can check it out without the need to install.

http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/slackware-live-edition/

Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: PackRat on January 05, 2016, 10:51:46 PM
And it appears Slackware has moved to eudev - no systemd. (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=126148) First time I have read/seen anything official in that regard. Appears they will still go with the BSD-style init, but openrc will be an option.

Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: VastOne on January 05, 2016, 10:55:03 PM
...Mayhap I can find time to get openrc as an alternative for VSIDO

Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: PackRat on January 05, 2016, 11:05:19 PM
^ maybe a HowTo if anyone wants to switch. I can see where making a switch will send you to Dependency Hell next time you try an upgrade.

I wonder if Slackware is getting close to a release; 14.1 is just over 2 years old now. I think Patrick V. had some health issues which may have slowed things down, but maybe a Slackware 15.0 this spring (keeping fingers crossed).
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: VastOne on January 05, 2016, 11:18:26 PM
So long as sysvinit is alive and well it will be doable.  I just switched over a test x32 build to openrc and sysvinit all booted well without issues

The interesting thing is the network right now.. it still is using the systemd created enp0s3 interface which may be all right in itself, just a different standard than wlan0 and eth0

I am sure I can change back to those standards now and would have to fix a few scripts but it looks very doable
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: VastOne on January 06, 2016, 05:26:35 AM
Got a fully functional x32 with network interfaces back to eth0 and wlan0 and the vsido-exit scripts working...

very interesting indeed, no systemd and full upgrades and builds

all seems fine
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: Snap on January 06, 2016, 06:40:48 AM
I would love to see a systemd free Vsido. That's only my own wish, but I'm a dreamer.
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: VastOne on January 06, 2016, 03:43:36 PM
We should start a conversation on it... I want to hear opinions again about this subject
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: ostrolek on January 11, 2016, 07:52:52 PM
I made a live installable iso based on Sid, would you guys care to have a look? http://sourceforge.net/projects/nelum-os/
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: VastOne on January 11, 2016, 08:15:24 PM
Whew... 1.8 gig?  That is a huge one... Will dload it a bit later to look at it

What installer?  What build method? Do you not have an x64 machine?  Using V-Box you can build using x64 and x32
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: ostrolek on January 12, 2016, 06:57:50 AM
Whew... 1.8 gig?  That is a huge one... Will dload it a bit later to look at it

What installer?  What build method? Do you not have an x64 machine?  Using V-Box you can build using x64 and x32
1.7 gig because, 1) it has some extra apps, 2) it is squashed by gz, rather than xz. With xz, it would be 1,4 gig. Build using a simple method; clearing up username, hostname, localtime etc from /etc, clearing up unnecessary files from /var, leaving /dev, /home, media, /mnt, /proc, /run, /sys and squashing the rest. Installer is adapted lmde one.

My machine is 64bit. This 32 bit install was there for a long time, starting from wheezy, moved to sid.   
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: sqlpython on January 13, 2016, 07:10:37 AM
 As one who also uses Gentoo.. the developers there have led the way in the past to OpenRC.
If Debian's future OSes make the procedures more difficult to cling to a sysVinit system there is the OpenRC option. I have used systemd with arch and it is at least OK. I just didn't see the need for the move.
 Take a look here http://systemd-free.org/
There you will read one method for switching a systemd to an OpenRC. While some might not to actually proceed down that road what can learn is of interest.

 As to speed.. many of us have already seen this side by side boot video ..Systemd vs OpenRC


Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: Snap on January 14, 2016, 06:20:55 AM
About speeds, systemd shuts down faster than anything else. No doubts. But at boot it depends a lot on specific systems, what and how many services you launch, the hardware, etc... Simple systems (the ones I tend to use) into decently powerful machines don't use to see a specially noticeable improvement with parallelization. I've tested some systems with all equal excepting inits. Even the plain sysvinit with no OpenRC is very fast and not far behind systemd. Only slightly slower. For complex systems that's a different story. systemd and/or parallelization in general can speed up booting times a lot.

In my particular case booting speeds are not relevant. Doesn't make a significative difference whatever the init system you use. At least the ones I've tried. There are plenty available not specially known.
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: sqlpython on January 19, 2016, 06:52:03 AM
 I don't define systemd shutdown as a shutdown...
It is more a Crash  :D
  which is why it is so fast...  just a bit of kidding..
My primary dislike of systemd as writer of scripts is that sysvinit uses easily editable shell scripts in /etc for config, while systemd uses binary modules..
  If you don't need or like to modify system scripts to meet your needs then a user won't car much about the differences..
  Other then that .. using those binary files and calling them at the cli than systemd works just fine for most purposes.
   
Title: Re: Distro Hopping
Post by: Snap on January 20, 2016, 04:49:45 AM
Quote
My primary dislike of systemd as writer of scripts is that sysvinit uses easily editable shell scripts in /etc for config, while systemd uses binary modules..

In fact all inits I know use editable scripts excepting systemd. But systemd is not an init system. It stopped being one a while ago. It's a nested system controller which also happens to have an init embedded. That's my primary dislike (independently or how good or bad it can work).