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Title: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: ozitraveller on March 26, 2013, 10:22:52 PM
Hi

This a learn thing for me, I could setup and just use VSIDO but I would rather understand how it all hangs together. ;)

I have had a look at: preferences, apt.config and sources.list, and been here
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=269335#p269335 (http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=269335#p269335)
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=267548%23p267548#p267548 (http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=267548%23p267548#p267548)
http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=21324 (http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=21324)

I'm wondering which repos the xfce packages are being drawn from?

Cheers
Ozi
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: VastOne on March 26, 2013, 10:25:39 PM
From the Siduction repos... They packaged 4.10 perfectly so thats where we get them from


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deb http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/xfcenext unstable main
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: VastOne on March 26, 2013, 10:27:53 PM
Note see my edit, and the first link you posted over on #! is where I got my idea from
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: VastOne on March 26, 2013, 10:30:13 PM
An here is the Siduction site talking about it (http://news.siduction.org/2012/10/xfce-4-10-for-siduction/)

Also, jotapesse was a great resource for digging this stuff up over in #!
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: ozitraveller on March 26, 2013, 10:51:12 PM
Thanks vastOne!

Lightening quick as usual!! ;)

How would I differentiate debian unstable and siduction unstable?
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: VastOne on March 26, 2013, 10:56:40 PM
in the repos, Debian sid is shown as sid

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deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free
Where Siduction is unstable

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deb http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/xfcenext unstable main
So ...

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sudo apt-get -t unstable install xfce4
Another great reason for Debian to get rid of the entire Sid/Unstable label and go with something like rolling
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: ozitraveller on March 26, 2013, 11:00:58 PM
Thanks, and yes I agree that the sid/unstable is a pain! ;)

So you aren't getting anything from experimental now?
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: VastOne on March 26, 2013, 11:02:32 PM
Yes... The main kernel is coming from Experimental... :D

It is parked there waiting for the Freeze to pass over, and Wheezy to go to stable...

Thats when you will see the 3.8 kernel and 4.10 Xfce4 hit Sid or even Testing
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: ozitraveller on March 26, 2013, 11:08:44 PM
Thanks for your time VastOne. ;)
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: VastOne on March 26, 2013, 11:09:22 PM
No worries Oz, I enjoy it!   ;D
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: lwfitz on March 27, 2013, 02:07:54 AM
Great questions Ozzie! Some of which I had myself but just never asked. Thanks for this
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: ozitraveller on March 27, 2013, 08:50:05 PM
Thanks lwfitz ;)

I don't want to be a passenger, I want to able to drive the bus!
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: VastOne on March 27, 2013, 08:56:23 PM
^ Looking forward to your creation Oz!  ;)
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: ozitraveller on April 02, 2013, 08:44:04 PM
I'm curious to know what the difference between
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http://oscar.aptosid.com/debian/ sid main fix.main

and this is? Is is sid versus unstable, so that apt.conf

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http://ftp.spline.de/pub/siduction/xfcenext unstable main
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: VastOne on April 03, 2013, 01:41:03 AM
The first is aptosid so we can pull in all the cool stuff from there with kernel-remover the most important but there are others I cannot recall at the moment (been a long day)

The other is siduction and that is specifically for Xfce 4.10

Once Wheezy goes stable, a mass amount of testing space will be freed and you will see a lot of Sid transition at that time as it's current 'unstable apps' move to testing... (fricking freeze fecks up debian IMO)

Then you will see Xfce 4.10 move from Experimental to Sid and we can then rely on it from there

The issue is the freeze right now, it locks down a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with Wheezy/Testing/Stable, but all the things that could be happening if there was not a freeze
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: ozitraveller on April 03, 2013, 01:56:48 AM
Yes I understand, I'm trying to protect myself from the coming storm too.

Thanks

Sounds as though you need a beer or 2! ;)
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: VastOne on April 03, 2013, 02:01:01 AM
Make it three and you have a deal... I like Becks!   ???  8)
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: ozitraveller on April 03, 2013, 03:49:06 AM
3 of pints of Guinness for me please   8)

I'm thinking flux might be the better way to go as it just doesn't change. But most users will be attracted by a modern good looking DE
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: VastOne on April 03, 2013, 03:53:18 AM
Flux seems to fit that bill... I like it, and am thinking some thoughts about what to do with VSIDO and all the DE's
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: ozitraveller on April 03, 2013, 03:59:38 AM
I can understand that it's quite a load to keep the maintenance moving along given the upcoming release and the flood of new stuff into repos.

A small community of like minded developers/maintainers maybe.
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: VastOne on April 03, 2013, 04:03:49 AM
It's really not so bad... It will be interesting to see how SID reacts over the next month or so... but honestly I am not that concerned

What helps the most is having people who are the 'eyes' to the issues at hand... I cannot be logged into all of them (nor do I want to) and I miss things...

Reminding me of things that need to be done is paramount to the success ...  :)
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: ozitraveller on April 03, 2013, 04:23:57 AM
Do you intend to create repo at some point with you own packages?
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: VastOne on April 03, 2013, 04:43:56 AM
I do... but I have so little in packages right now it is not worth it... I guess they are growing so I will need to do it.  Having one would open other doors too..

I have been so busy with other things (family, clients, golf, clients, golf, family, golf) ... you get the picture

It would be nice but just one more thing for me to maintain... I also really need a torrent setup to make dloading easier but for the life of me, i cannot find out why it is so difficult to setup a torrent that points to the files on my Host... should be really easy but has turned into a major pain in the arse that I could use some hep with

Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: ozitraveller on April 03, 2013, 10:22:42 PM
How come there are 3 golfs in the list and only 2 family?? ;)

I know very well about the responsibilities list, which seems to grow and never shrink! I've had my new box for a couple of weeks now and have only just managed to get the commandline install and xfce up and running. Still only basic setup stage.

I need to do this though just to keep me interested and sane! ;)
Title: Re: Xfce 4.10 from debian experimental/ Siduction?
Post by: ozitraveller on April 06, 2013, 02:13:07 AM
Hi VastOne

Here is the screeny you wanted to see! :)
http://tinyurl.com/cl8jbqm (http://tinyurl.com/cl8jbqm)